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ConservativeX
Are you Pro-Choice?
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If you are Pro-Choice as well as anti-death penalty, you've got a serious conflict.
That is what abortion is: The death penalty, only worse.
Let's say that John Smith murdered a hundred women in the most vile manner possible.
He would have committed several crimes to become eligible for the death penalty in America.
He would, however, get a full trial, with appeals, averaging an 18 year delay between arrest and sentence.
Then, he would be killed in the most humane manner possible, unless he requested to be shot or hung, in which case, that's his decision.
Abortion is the death penalty for someone who never committed a crime; never gets a trial, and they will be killed in the most inhumane manner possible.
Ripped limb from limb, or chemically scalded to death or the new thing is to poke a hole in the skull and vacuum the brains out.
Is this a position that anyone really wants to defend?
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| September 13, 2003 | 4:09 AM |
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would you rather poverty, overpopulation and a whole ton of things that act prevents? Sometimes there is no simple answer
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The answer is to protect innocent human life.
Are you defending the killing of innocents because the quality of life isn't up to your standard?
By that standard, then every poor person on Earth should be killed to prevent overpopulation and "a whole ton of things", right?
Think about what you say.
Does someone have a lesser right to life if they don't have a quality of life that you have?
Hitler felt the same way.
Handicapped people can't enjoy life, so shoot them.
Retarded people's quality of life isn't the same; shoot them.
Is this what you favor?
BTW, if someone richer than you thought your quailty of life isn't up to their standards, could they kill YOU?
After all, your life isn't worth anything if it doesn't match up to their standards.
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semantics
murder is defined as: "the unlawful killing of one human being by another."
so really it is all a matter of whether or not you consider a fetus a human being.
(i use the word 'murder' because, generally, the argument against the death penalty is that it is murder.)
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Of course it's human!
If it's not human, please, please, please tell me what species it is!
Think about what you're saying; do you really believe a species change occurs in the womb?
As for being unlawful, slavery was once lawful; did its being legal justify slavery?
And how about addressing my point?
Do you believe in the death penalty?
Yes or no?
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first, i, personally, do not regard a human fetus as the same thing as a human being. this is probably going to get me into some hot water, but if it'll help you, you can think of it like the difference between a human leg and a human being. a leg is an extension of a human being... a part of it. a fetus is a part of you, until you give birth to it. if, say, a tumor is found to be present in my leg, then i reserve the right to have it amputated. if for some reason i feel that i need to have an abortion, i reserve the right to do that too.
as for the death penalty, i am against it, but not because i think it's the same as 'murder' (i don't feel i have given that point enough thought to have it be the basis of my opinion). i am against it because the possibility of wrongful conviction is alarmingly high.
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Leg?
You are playing with definitions; a leg is, indeed a part of your organism, but even a beginning biology class will let you know that a fetus is a complete human organism for that level of its age.
Nice try, though.
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that's all well and good, but that's how i think of it, and really that's all that matters. because what i think is what will determine whether or not i choose to have an abortion.
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you totally misunderstood my comment jerry. let's look at it the other way; Would you force a being to live in cercumstances that might kill them? is that not the same as murder?
You aruge the fetus has no say in weather they are allowed to live, they also have no say in weather they don't want to live.
And then there is the aurgement that if you didn't want a child then you should have used protection; Would you force a woman to go through the regors of childbirth? A rape victum has no say in this and it's HER body that bears the brunt of it. What i'm trying to say is that there are reasons behind abortion, you can't just veiw it in a single-minded way.
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THIS thread is closed?
I know it is being debated in the other forum, in fact, I am participating in the thread.
But look again; it's not under "Business and Technology" it is under "Sustainable Development/Population", where it does belong.
This isn't a thread; this is my update.
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Open Minds
>you totally misunderstood my comment jerry. let's look at it the other way;
>Would you force a being to live in cercumstances that might kill them? is
>that not the same as murder?
No, it's not.
Murder is the deliberate taking of innocent human life. Giving someone a chance to live is never murder.
Speaking of which, if you term giving someone a chance at life as murder, what do you classify the willful killing of an innocent?
Is that something you defend?
>You aruge the fetus has no say in weather they are allowed to live, they
>also have no say in weather they don't want to live.
You do know basic biology, don't you? All of us are BORN with a survival instinct. ALL of us.
If they later get depressed and wish to commit suicide, it's impossible to stop them. But killing millions each year because thousands MAY try abortion is not justifiable.
>And then there is the aurgement that if you didn't want a child then you
>should have used protection; Would you force a woman to go through the
>regors of childbirth? A rape victum has no say in this and it's HER body
>that bears the brunt of it.
Whose body bears the brnut of an abortion?
Again, you are failing to account for the life that will be lost...
And are you for punishing a child with death because their father is a rapist?
That's what the end result is...
>What i'm trying to say is that there are reasons behind abortion, you can't
>just veiw it in a single-minded way.
But you can view it in your single-minded way?
I have not heard any argument to convince me otherwise. I used to be Pro-Choice at one time but then, because I had an open mind, I learned more about abortion and when I did, I became Pro-Life.
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